Absolutely not. Section 8 of the charter protects us against unlawful search and seizure. The powers of search and seizure granted by section 487 of the criminal code are subject to reasonable grounds to believe and unless the warden had found an egregious offender worthy of search they would be wise to never force the issue as they would almost certainly lose a court case where evidence was gathered as a result of any search and then lose the authority all together.

This is a high standard. Akin to catching the person in the act. Arriving to check in for a permit at Algonquin provides 0 grounds to even suspect a person of wrongdoing let along a belief they will commit wrong doing.

What a great idea for an extension on the 3rd loop. Have you ever submitted it to the park as feedback for the future? With the rapidly growing popularity of backpacking I would think they should be considering something like that. With a birdseye view you could hike all the way down to rainbow lake on the old rail line. I’m sure ground level it’s not quite so easy but what an amazing extension that could be.

That’s great news. I’ll be there in a few weeks!!

Nice. Looks like a wonderful time. Great times always with the kids.

goneagainjon wrote:

MartinG wrote:

@Barry

The impetus behind site specific booking and issuing permits base on campsites instead of individuals is not based on some sort of assessment of who uses the APP interior. It has been described by Ontario Parks as a way to align car camping and interior camping policies and procedures. It is an administrative change spurred on by an overarching initiative by the Provincial Government. It is not a change in response to user requests.

It would be nice if APP saw this looming and then tried to take this opportunity to realign their offerings, but I doubt it. Administrative changes like this are spurred on by the need to control costs and revenue. Could you imagine how expensive (and futile) it would be to bring all of the thousands of APP interior campsites up to an improved standard?

Totally seperate of this initiative, and governed by a different mandate, APP may very well come out with a teired system of campsites to specifically address Accessibility to Ontarians with Disabilities (AODA). I foresee the park creating new campsites or re-developing existing campsites on lakes like Cannisbay or Opeongo to ensure that APP and Ontario Parks complies with the AODA Act.

But this has nothing to do with the seperate requirement to change towards campsite bookings. Jon is transparently conflating his need to control outcomes with the admirable goal to provide opportunities. I believe this is a misguided and dangerous approach specifically as it applies to canoe tripping in a park as large as APP.

 
Respectfully my friend MartinG,  I'm not sure I accept that APP is doing this to harmonize car camping and backcountry camping...is there evidence of this? Nor do I accept that it is primarily a money grab (although I'm not against investing in our Parks). I have tripped in Killarney and the French River most recently - places that have moved to site specific and "tighter area-specific" reservations respectively...makes it muc

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