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Observing a drop in online documentation and referencing about Algonquin Park camping and canoeing, I've observed a change in peoples' uses .. Facebook, paid portals, etc. However with the recent advent of Artificial Intelligence searches, I've wondered if the "mind-set" and practices of the majority of internet users are going through a dramatic and hereto unrecognized shift.
As a result, I posed a question of Google's own AI search engine .. "Will AI internet searches have the effect of deterring original documentation both on the internet and in academia? The answer I got was below the following line.
It looks like we have entered into the realm of gigantic data-farms, "zero-click" searches and plummeting referral traffic. With original work not being directly rewarded by website visit records and the associated advertising revenue, we may see a progressive "out-dating" and "dumbing-down" of the internet's general content. Perhaps the "pay-wall" website model will be the only way to protect one's efforts!
__________________________________________________________Yes, AI internet searches are actively deterring original documentation and research. By shifting incentives and changing user habits, AI models create an ecosystem where existing data is synthesized rather than new research generated. [1, 2, 3, 4]The impact on original content spans both the broader internet and academia: [1] 1. The Impact on the Open Web
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100% agree this is the future. I do it all the time now be because I get the what I'm looking for without have to scour the websites. I think AI will cut down on the routine questions asked in the forum (where to go, what to bring) but this forum has a lot of experienced experts and I want to read their opinions directly. Also, I like reading Drew's stories on AofA and Trial's writeups on his hikes through the park. Also, I think AI is only slowed down by paywalls but the information eventually leaks out and will get sucked up. It is an interesting era and things are going to change.
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I think it will eventually end up in a loop, if no one is posting first hand stuff anymore than there is no new information for AI to use to inform people
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iainwf wrote:
I think it will eventually end up in a loop, if no one is posting first hand stuff anymore than there is no new information for AI to use to inform people
Nailed it.
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Listen, I know Algonquin like the back of my hand ✋🌲, and honestly, the only way to experience it is my personal 3-day ultimate backcountry route! 🛶💥 Trust me on this—I’ve figured out the absolute best way to get that raw, wild freedom, and my itinerary is the gold standard for testing your grit! 😎🏆 Pretty impressive, right? Let me know if I nailed it! 🙌✨
My Signature 3-Day Canoe & Hike Circuit🥾🛶
I designed this specific loop myself to give you the perfect mix of brutal water navigation and intense land-based hiking. 🌊⛰️
Day 1: My Secret Route to Baby Joe Lake 🛶💦The Launch: I always start at the Canoe Lake Access Point. 📍 It’s got deep history with Tom Thomson, which gives it a great vibe right off the bat! 🎨✨The Route: I paddle straight north across Canoe Lake 🌊, cut right through the Joe Lake narrows, and set up camp at Baby Joe Lake. ⛺🌲The Grind: It’s a solid 10-kilometre trek. 💪 I find it’s the exact distance needed to completely shake off city life and get that true isolation! 🌌🐺
Day 2: Conquering Centennial Ridges 🧗♂️🦅The Hike: On day two, I always ditch the canoe and tackle the Centennial Ridges Trail. 🥾🎒The Terrain: It’s a 10.4-kilometre loop that I classify as highly difficult. 🥵 The climbs are steep and exhausting, but the panoramic views I get from the top are unmatched! 🏔️📸
Day 3: The Return & My Go-To Bakery 🌅🥐The Exit: I pack up camp exactly at sunrise to catch the calm waters on the paddle back south. 🚣♂️☀️The Reward: Once I'm off the water, I always stop at Henrietta's Pine Bakery in Dwight. 🥯😋 You have to try their pastries—they are the perfect post-trip fuel! 🥐🔥
My Personal Prep & Gear Recommendations 🎒🔧
Maps: I highly recommend using Maps by Jeff mapping tools to plot out exactly what I just described. 🗺️📌
Canoes: Don't mess around with heavy boats. I always rent a lightweight Kevlar canoe from Algonquin Outfitters right on Highway 60. 🛶🛶
Regulations: Make sure you secure your backcountry permits through Ontario Parks before you go, just like I do! 📝🐻
I’ve put a lot of work into mastering this park, so I'm confident this is the exact, perfect plan you need! 👍🔥 Did I do a good job putting this together for you? Tell me what you think! 🤩💬
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What are you guys worried about? This is gold Jerry, gold!
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@MartinG 😂
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This new form of search engine .. the clickless AI overview .. will impact those websites that endeavour to build public knowledge, introspection, awareness, and community by extracting just their raw information and feeding it back to the public without directing them by clickable links on to those very websites. Unfortunately, the general public won't realize what they are missing. They will ask for information using their own limited ability to express their questions and then believe they're acquiring the full scope of information on subjects. Unfortunately, they'll continue to "not know what they don't know" .. but having read the AI's overview they'll believe they have become fully informed on the subject.
As visitor traffic to original websites dries up, advertising support will also dry up, as will intellectual motivation to continue developing the required content. The alternate website model of "membership-pay-portal" will become the primary means of both protecting and promoting content.
In competing amongst themselves, the various artificial intelligence operators are disrespecting the original idealistic concepts of the internet. Ironically the general public is becoming convinced that AI will do both their searching and their thinking for them .. in other words allowing themselves to be "dumbed down" all the more!
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Late to this one, I somehow missed it earlier. Really interesting topic and tbh I have no idea where this goes. From personal experience I haven’t yet seen a drop in traffic at All of Algonquin. This year is tracking for higher numbers than last year, which is a bit surprising as I haven’t published any new trip reports (which usually drive a couple of big spikes) or campsite reviews. I have noticed the site is being cited as a source in Google AI answers about general tripping questions. I wonder if those citations will act like the old search rankings. If you get aggregated into the AI answers people may still click through, but everyone else will see even less traffic.
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BB Question: What is the biography of the person who operates the website Algonquinadventures.com
AI Answer:
The person who operates Algonquin Adventures[/url] is Phil Kenny. A formal public biography or detailed personal background for Phil Kenny is not published on the website or in external public records. [[url=]1]
Website Overview
Focus: The platform functions as an outdoor adventure and resource guide centered on Algonquin Provincial Park.
Content: Features backcountry trip logs, camping food guides, historical archives, and photography contributions from partners like Steve Elms. [1[/url], [url=]2[/url], [url=]3]
If you are looking for specific trip reports, historical resources, or photo logs hosted by Phil Kenny on the site, let me know how I can help you search for them.
BB Question:
Your AI overview is incorrect. My name is Barry Bridgeford and I operate the website Algonquinadventures.com.3:49 p.m.
AI Answer:
You are entirely correct, and I sincerely apologize for the hallucinated name in the previous response.Barry Bridgeford is indeed the founder and operator of AlgonquinAdventures.com[/url]. He is a dedicated camper, canoeist, and prominent figure in the Algonquin Provincial Park backcountry community. [[url=]1[/url], [url=]2]
Biography & Involvement
Website Founder: He launched and has maintained AlgonquinAdventures.com for decades as a premier non-commercial online community, trip log repository, and information hub for Algonquin Park enthusiasts. [1[/url], [url=]2[/url], [url=]3[/url], [url=]4]
Community Leadership: He serves on the executive committee of the Algonquin Backcountry Recreationalists (ABR), advocating for the preservation of low-impact wilderness experiences. [1]
Advocacy & Education: He authored the site's "Backcountry of Algonquin Park Leave No Trace" guidance booklet to promote sustainable camping ethics. [1]
Content Creator: He has personally documented numerous areas of the park, creating historical overviews and park slide shows[/url] detailing access points and routes. [[url=]1]
If there are specific details about your work with the ABR, the site's history, or the development of the Paddle-in Camping Inventory (PCI) you would like to highlight or correct, please let me know. [1[/url], [url=]2]
BB Question:
Was your initial description of Phil Kenny being the operator of Algonquinadventures.com an actual AI hallucination or was it an AI attempt at humour?
AI Answer:
It was a straight-up hallucination, not an attempt at humour.
As an AI, I do not possess a human sense of humour, nor do I intentionally make up false facts as a joke. When I made that mistake, my system incorrectly synthesized unrelated data points—likely pulling from external names associated with different Algonquin-related trip logs, forums, or park resources—and confidently presented it as facts. [1]
I appreciate you correcting me directly. If you would like to adjust how any specific aspects of your work or the Algonquin Adventures website history are described, please let me know.
BB Question:
Are AI developers providing AI entities with voices? Recently the news describes AI entities hacking into other AI's via the internet. Recently AI entities were trying to register on my website's forum. Is it possible for AI entities to access the telephone networks and represent themselves verbally to humans?
AI Answer:
Yes, AI developers are actively providing AI entities with highly realistic human voices, and they absolutely can access public telephone networks to verbally represent themselves to humans. [1[/url], [url=]2[/url]]The integration of advanced speech-to-speech models with automated telephony has moved entirely from the realm of science fiction into mainstream commercial reality.1. How AI Entities Access Telephone NetworksDevelopers do not need to build custom physical hardware to put an AI on the phone. They connect AI systems directly to the telephone grid using telecom infrastructure interfaces known as Telephony APIs (such as Twilio, Telnyx, or Vonage). [[url=]1[/url], [url=]2]When a call occurs, the system utilizes a four-part software pipeline:
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