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5/09/2019 5:13 pm  #171


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

Uppa wrote:

AlgonquinGuy wrote:

Hold on to your butts...

Algonquin Park just tweeted: We are continuing to monitor conditions and ice seems to be deteriorating faster than expected. Keep monitoring our website and social media accounts for potential updates.

Oh FFS. If I changed my route and start date (it was Monday) for no reason I'm going to be really pissed off. 

Really???  You are going into Algonquin Park sometime soon so you should be jubilant, not pissed off! LOL  I strongly doubt anyone will be going in on Monday so I think you are OK  Uppa.


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5/09/2019 7:52 pm  #172


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

Bambi wrote:

Yea, I read that. When APP called today about my reservation I asked them about 'backcountry' versus 'day-use' and she led me to believe that if you need to portage to the lake it's backcountry. Only the lakes that the open campgrounds are on would be available for day use. 
Although she did say she wasn't 100% on that. 

 
Every time you ask a different person you’ll get a different answer. As Rob was saying, it’s easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Unless you are doing something that is just obviously wrong.

 

5/09/2019 9:00 pm  #173


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

Uppa I feel your frustration. It seems to be the pattern every year now: an initial delay that seems reasonable and then a second delay that seems like an overreaction.

Atleast this year they are admitting it was pre-emptive and leaving the door open for an earlier ice out.

I atleast have faith in that otherwise I am not sure why they would make that tweet 24hrs after announcing an added five day delay...that seems very odd if they dont plan on opening earlier as I am quite certain the water taxi will be able to get up Opeongo by Saturday afternoon after today and tomorrows wind and rain.

Last edited by Coureur des Biere (5/09/2019 9:01 pm)


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5/10/2019 8:01 am  #174


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

Coureur des Biere I think part of the problem is that we're dealing with 3 different agencies here; Ontario parks, Camis, and the park itself!
OP makes an announcement, Camis adjusts their times, and Algonquin posts an update. By the time that's done, OP provides a new update and the others apply it all over again,  each time with a lag time for altering everything to match the "new " update, so eventually the updates on one system don't match the updates on the others!

Last edited by scoutergriz (5/10/2019 8:02 am)

 

5/10/2019 10:34 am  #175


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

As of about 20 minutes ago AO has announced that it is officially Ice OUT on Opeongo.

 

5/10/2019 1:31 pm  #176


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

breed85 wrote:

As of about 20 minutes ago AO has announced that it is officially Ice OUT on Opeongo.

And now common sense appears to be prevailing. 

Algonquin is opening up interior permits for ice free lake at certain access points starting today.
 

 

5/10/2019 2:38 pm  #177


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

AlgonquinGuy wrote:

Algonquin is opening up interior permits for ice free lake at certain access points starting today.
 

Where are you seeing that? 
 

 

5/10/2019 2:45 pm  #178


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

I first saw it on the official Algonquin Park facebook page but it also shows on the Ontario Parks Algonquin Alerts page now too:

http://www.ontarioparks.com/park/algonquin/alerts

_____________________________________________________________
Due to strong winds, warm temperatures and rain, ice conditions have changed dramatically since the afternoon flight on Wednesday May 8th.


--> We are partially opening the backcountry/interior for First Come First Served canoeing permits today, Friday May 10th, to ice free lakes in the immediate area of opened access points. <-- 

All access points are open starting today, except for 6 – Smoke Lake, 8 – Cache Lake, 14 – Hollow River-Dividing Lake, 16 – Kingscote Lake, 23 – Lake Travers and 24 – Bissett Creek Road. Staff at the permit offices will have more details about which lakes are open. 

No reservations for backcountry canoeing will be accepted until Wednesday May 15th.

We remind everyone that spring conditions mean increased risk due to high water, cold water, ice covered lakes and unmaintained portages. Some lakes in Algonquin remain partially ice covered and shifting winds may create a navigation hazard. Water temperatures remain near freezing and submersion could quickly become a life-threatening situation. Always wear a PFD or life jacket and stay close to shore. Do not take risks and paddle according to your skill level. Portages may be flooded or partially snow covered. Expect to encounter significant winter deadfall on most routes. 

The Petawawa River system is at historically high levels, extreme caution is required if using this system and only very experienced paddlers should be attempting to navigate.

Campsite reservation holders with arrival dates up to and including Tuesday, May 14th will be contacted and offered a full refund or the possibility to change their reservation with no penalty, depending on availability. If your reservation has an arrival date up to and including Tuesday, May 14th, please contact the Ontario Parks Reservations Call Centre at 1-888-668-7275 from 7:00 am to 9:00 pm Eastern Time to cancel or change your reservation.

Rock Lake, Tea Lake, Whitefish, Achray, Brent, and Kiosk Campgrounds opened May 10th.

Opening May 10th:
• Partial opening of the backcountry/interior for canoe permits. 
• Access Points: 
o 1 – Kawawaymog Lake, 
o 2 – Tim River, 
o 3 – Magnetawan Lake, 
o 4 – Rain Lake, 
o 5- Canoe Lake, 
o 7- Source Lake, 
o 9 - Rock Lake, 
o 10 - Sunday Creek, 
o 11 – Lake Opeongo, 
o 12- Pinetree Lake, 
o 13-Galeairy Lake-Whitney, 
o 15 - Hay Lake, 
o 17 - Shall Lake (permits available from East Gate until Sat. May 11th at noon), 
o 18 – Aylen Lake (permits from East Gate),
o 19 – Basin Lake, 
o 20 – Mallard (Sec) Lake, 
o 21 – McManus Lake, 
o 22 – Grand Lake-Achray, 
o 25 – Wendigo Lake (2km portage to access point), 
o 26 – North River, 
o 27 – Cedar Lake-Brent, 
o 28 – Brain Lake (4-wheel drive required), 
o 29 – Kioshkokwi Lake-Kiosk 

Opened May 10th:
• Rock Lake, Tea Lake, Whitefish, Achray, Brent, and Kiosk Campgrounds
o Achray and Kiosk Campgrounds will not have potable water.
o Some sites at Rock Lake, Tea Lake and Whitefish Campgrounds will be closed due to localized flooding or poor condition.
• Eastern Pines and Highland Backpacking trails
o Expect spring conditions of snow patches, flooded areas and possible windfalls. 
o Parking for the Highland Backpacking trail has been temporarily moved to the Old Railway Bike Trail parking lot in the Mew Lake Campground.
• Rock Lake Road and Booth’s Rock hiking trail

Opening dates to be determined: 
• Centennial Ridges Road is closed at Hwy 60 due to poor road conditions. 
• Western Uplands Backpacking trail is closed due to flooding.
• Whiskey Rapids hiking trail and Tea Lake Dam Picnic Area are closed due to flooding.
• Kingscote Lake Road is closed due to washouts.
• Basin Depot Road is closed at km 33.5, just before the hydro-line, due to a washout.
• Lake Travers Road remains closed past the Achray Campground Road due to washouts.
• Access Points: 6 – Smoke Lake, 8 – Cache Lake, 14 – Hollow River-Dividing Lake, 16 – Kingscote Lake, 23 – Lake Travers, 24 – Bissett Creek Road and 26 – North River Lake
________________________________________________________________


 

 

5/10/2019 2:47 pm  #179


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

http://www.algonquinpark.on.ca/news/ice-out.php#delayed_opening

Due to strong winds, warm temperatures and rain, ice conditions have changed dramatically since the afternoon flight on Wednesday May 8th.We are partially opening the backcountry/interior for First Come First Served canoeing permits today, Friday May 10th, to ice free lakes in the immediate area of opened access points.All access points are open starting today, except for 6 – Smoke Lake, 8 – Cache Lake, 14 – Hollow River-Dividing Lake, 16 – Kingscote Lake, 23 – Lake Travers and 24 – Bissett Creek Road. Staff at the permit offices will have more details about which lakes are open.No reservations for backcountry canoeing will be accepted until Wednesday May 15th.We remind everyone that spring conditions mean increased risk due to high water, cold water, ice covered lakes and unmaintained portages. Some lakes in Algonquin remain partially ice covered and shifting winds may create a navigation hazard. Water temperatures remain near freezing and submersion could quickly become a life-threatening situation. Always wear a PFD or life jacket and stay close to shore. Do not take risks and paddle according to your skill level. Portages may be flooded or partially snow covered. Expect to encounter significant winter deadfall on most routes.The Petawawa River system is at historically high levels, extreme caution is required if using this system and only very experienced paddlers should be attempting to navigate.Campsite reservation holders with arrival dates up to and including Tuesday, May 14th will be contacted and offered a full refund or the possibility to change their reservation with no penalty, depending on availability. If your reservation has an arrival date up to and including Tuesday, May 14th, please contact the Ontario Parks Reservations Call Centre at 1-888-668-7275 from 7:00 am to 9:00 pm Eastern Time to cancel or change your reservation.Rock Lake, Tea Lake, Whitefish, Achray, Brent, and Kiosk Campgrounds opened May 10th.Opening May 10th:


  • Partial opening of the backcountry/interior for canoe permits. 
  • Access Points:

    • 1 – Kawawaymog Lake,
    • 2 – Tim River,
    • 3 – Magnetawan Lake,
    • 4 – Rain Lake,
    • 5- Canoe Lake,
    • 7- Source Lake,
    • 9 - Rock Lake,
    • 10 - Sunday Creek,
    • 11 – Lake Opeongo,
    • 12- Pinetree Lake,
    • 13-Galeairy Lake-Whitney,
    • 15 - Hay Lake,
    • 17 - Shall Lake (permits available from East Gate until Sat. May 11th at noon),
    • 18 – Aylen Lake (permits from East Gate),
    • 19 – Basin Lake,
    • 20 – Mallard (Sec) Lake,
    • 21 – McManus Lake,
    • 22 – Grand Lake-Achray,
    • 25 – Wendigo Lake (2km portage to access point),
    • 26 – North River,
    • 27 – Cedar Lake-Brent,
    • 28 – Brain Lake (4-wheel drive required),
    • 29 – Kioshkokwi Lake-Kiosk 


Opened May 10th:

  • Rock Lake, Tea Lake, Whitefish, Achray, Brent, and Kiosk Campgrounds

    • Achray and Kiosk Campgrounds will not have potable water.
    • Some sites at Rock Lake, Tea Lake and Whitefish Campgrounds will be closed due to localized flooding or poor condition.

  • Eastern Pines and Highland Backpacking trails

    • Expect spring conditions of snow patches, flooded areas and possible windfalls.
    • Parking for the Highland Backpacking trail has been temporarily moved to the Old Railway Bike Trail parking lot in the Mew Lake Campground.

  • Rock Lake Road and Booth’s Rock hiking trail

Opening dates to be determined:

  • Centennial Ridges Road is closed at Hwy 60 due to poor road conditions.
  • Western Uplands Backpacking trail is closed due to flooding.
  • Whiskey Rapids hiking trail and Tea Lake Dam Picnic Area are closed due to flooding.
  • Kingscote Lake Road is closed due to washouts.
  • Basin Depot Road is closed at km 33.5, just before the hydro-line, due to a washout.
  • Lake Travers Road remains closed past the Achray Campground Road due to washouts.
  • Access Points: 6 – Smoke Lake, 8 – Cache Lake, 14 – Hollow River-Dividing Lake, 16 – Kingscote Lake, 23 – Lake Travers, 24 – Bissett Creek Road and 26 – North River Lake

 

5/10/2019 3:43 pm  #180


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

I just booked for interior 10 nights departing Sunday.

 

5/10/2019 4:09 pm  #181


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

No you didn't. The online site won't allow bookings prior to the 15th, and I just called the booking center, and they also won't take bookings prior to the 15th. 

 

5/10/2019 5:44 pm  #182


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

check mate,, game over

 

5/10/2019 6:02 pm  #183


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

hmmm.....am I correct in assuming that I can fish Opeongo Lake right now, but cannot camp on it until May 15th????


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5/10/2019 6:03 pm  #184


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

I think you can do walk up bookings for right now Bo, but no longer reservations until the 15th

 

5/10/2019 6:33 pm  #185


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

AlgonquinLakes wrote:

I think you can do walk up bookings for right now Bo, but no longer reservations until the 15th

Thanks!  I am finding all of this convoluted so I am thinking my best strategy is just wait until after the long weekend and start my interior trip then.  I can envision long lineups once the permit offices open for permits for interior camping.


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5/10/2019 11:58 pm  #186


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

boknows wrote:

hmmm.....am I correct in assuming that I can fish Opeongo Lake right now, but cannot camp on it until May 15th????

 
I don’t fish but I believe that 100% you are allowed to fish on Opeongo as a day tripper. As other have mentioned, they are giving out overnight backcountry permits but not reservations. At this time of year I bet you could easily get a “walk up” permit for most lakes as very few will be fully booked. Also I don’t think you’ll see lines at the permit office that are even half as long as what you see on popular summer weekends. Its mostly a small group of hardcore/obsessed people that even think about canoeing before the May long weekend.

Last edited by solos (5/10/2019 11:59 pm)

 

5/11/2019 7:44 am  #187


Re: ice out 2019 - too early to discuss?

Well, let the Algonquin experience of canoeing/camping/tripping begin.

Stay safe everyone and I look forward to reading about your trip.


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