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Catch-all Discussions » Giardia Questions » Yesterday 2:08 pm

JoeScmoe
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Could someone get a Guardia infection after getting a very small amount of water in the mouth from a paddle splash when paddling in an infected pond?

Equipment » Hammock camping in the shoulder season » 9/08/2020 10:10 pm

JoeScmoe
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For people that hammock camp with a pad, do you use your pad inside the bag or out?

In the summer, I use a thermorest accordian pad on cooler nights.  It's a bit of pain to use though and I have a hard time keeping it on the diagonal without it refolding itself.

I want to try out my self inflating pad. I'm thinking that it'll be easier to stay on top of it if it's inside my bag. My concern is it spreads my bag out so I could lose some warmth(?). I have a 0degC bag so I don't have a lot of room to play with temperature wise in late September. I do have a liner that I plan to use in addition though.

Any thought?

Catch-all Discussions » QE2 question » 8/26/2020 11:50 am

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BarryB wrote:

I've relocated the post to "Catch-all Discussions". If more off-topic postings happen, I'll have to decide if I want to delete them.

 
Hi Barry, would you see value in creating a new sub forum for other areas besides Algonquin?

This forum seems to have a decent number of active users, so your site could maybe generate more traffic in being a one stop shop for Ontario camping, paddling, hiking, etc.

Catch-all Discussions » QE2 question » 8/25/2020 9:40 pm

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BrianB wrote:

This is supposed to be about Alonguin.  

 
Two things:

1. I thought I was polite in asking if this could be moved if not the correct location. Many people here paddle all around Ontario. Your two responses were much less polite.

2. It's Algonquin, not Alonguin. You might want to check your US auto-correct settings.

That is all.

Catch-all Discussions » QE2 question » 8/25/2020 4:44 pm

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I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, so if there's an issue let me know or move the post.

A friend and I were thinking of doing a quick overnight in the QE2 Wildlands in mid-late September. We were going to go in through Devil's Lake and try to make it to Wolf or Victoria Lake.

What are our chances of getting a site if we go in on a Saturday morning... especially with Covid crowds? Should we take time off work and go in on Friday morning instead?

Equipment » Sawyer Mini 'upgrade' » 8/19/2020 10:51 pm

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I bought the 2 gallon bag for group camping. I leave the mini connected to the bag, and lie it flat on a bench with the filter cap on. When someone wants water, they can take the cap off, sit on the bag, and fill their bottle in about 10-20 seconds. I fill the bag maybe once a day or so. Doesn't get easier. So far no issues with bag rupture, even with my 240lb frame.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/23/2020 10:29 am

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EddyTurn wrote:

Nice pics! Not our cup of tea though. We stopped hiking our local hills as soon as my kid was able to ride a bike.

 
To each their own I guess. Algonquin is for sure the better place for a pure paddling vacation but hopefully you'll find something that will capture you're interest. Maybe you could drive and check out more than one area, given you have a week. At the very least, you'll be saving a bunch of drive time over going to Ontario!

If your little one is a strong swimmer, they'll love the Long Lake Town Beach. It has a platform that kids can swim out to with a slide, trampoline, and Tarzan rope.

In any case, hopefully the info I put up will be of use to someone.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/22/2020 10:22 pm

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Kids on Coney with summit marker
https://ibb.co/FJk9KGM

Me with the kids.
https://ibb.co/8rNgdpW

Kids and friends looking out Mt Arab firetower.
https://ibb.co/v3M11WK

I'm not sure why these didn't embed... But the links should work.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/22/2020 10:16 pm

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EddyTurn wrote:

Thanks GoeScmoe and Papaddler! The picture is getting more clear now though less encouraging . I'm not enthusiastic about hiking ADK with 5 year old kid in tow and getting into motel would totally ruin an adventure. Does anyone have experience canoeing Whitney Wilderness?

 
No never been, but it looks good. Check out adkforum... They should be able to help. I just googled a few trip reports on a few other sites that also look good.

Your five year old should be able to hike some of the smaller mountains. Mine did at that age and they loved it (my son was actually doing bigger ones too).

Mt Frederica is on Lake Lila. It has just 500ft elevation gain though I'm not sure how long the approach is. Two other easy ones to drive to are Coney Mountain and Mt Arab. My kids did both of these when they were small. Like some other peaks, Mt Arab has a firetower at the summit. I've got some pics I'll try to figure out how to upload.

Going to the ADKs and not doing even a small summit would be like going to Algonquin to hike and not dip a paddle in the water... Trust me... Your family will love it.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/22/2020 3:09 pm

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Here are the official state maps to SRCA and SLWF. You can see where they join at the south of St Regis and the north of Saranac.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/mapstregis.pdf

https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/regions_pdf/mapsaranaclakeswf2.pdf

In my SLWF paddles I've always seen lots of open campsites... Probably around half. I'd expect the same or better in St Regis though I've never been on a long weekend.

As a last resort, you're allowed to camp anywhere that's at least 150ft from the water or nearest trail.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/22/2020 7:18 am

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PaPaddler wrote:

Another difference between St. Regis and Algonquin is the campsites are hidden back in the woods away from the lakefront.  You get little to no view of the lake from your site and less wind on a hot summer evening.

There are a boatload of state managed boat-in campsites on the Saranac Lakes but, unfortunately, those are fully booked through August.  I would have at least a small concern with capacity/availability of first come/first served sites in the region - less concern in St. Regis as portages keep the crowds away, but greater concern in the easier accessed lakes (really just like Algonquin, in that sense).

Joe Schmoe is spot on about the hiking being excellent in the ADKs (although I don't think he's been to Colorado where they count how many 12,000+ foot peaks you've climbed vs. how many 4,000+ foot peaks in the ADKs).  The mountains are substantially different - the Rockies are often snow-capped, have more loose rock and are geologically immature compared to the hundreds of millions of years of weathering and glaciation that the ADKs have sustained. Nonetheless, the hiking is excellent, many opportunities for swimming holes, waterfalls, etc.

You may end up looking at some of the charming motels that dot the area - you can get a pretty cheap place on a lake in relative comfort as well.  If you get skunked trying to find a campsite that would be a possible plan B. 

It's not Algonquin, but it's a nice substitute in the unlikely event of a meteorite impact or global pandemic forces you to change your plans.  

 
I've been to Colorado many times... though I haven't done a lot of hiking there. I love the Rockies (really love the Rockies) but the ADKs give a nice balance of being able to paddle, hike, and swim. There's not a lot of lakes in CO, and those few are cold! I've swam in the Colorado River down in Glenwood Springs which is lower elevation than where you'll find the 14'ers. It was still freezing. Also I give the ADKs spe

Trip Planning » the border » 7/21/2020 11:39 pm

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I've never actually paddled St Regis, but have paddled the Saranac Lakes Wild Forest area. Both are side by side with portage routes joining the two.

You won't get Algonquin remoteness in the SLWF as you'll see paddlers from the two area campgrounds daytripping through but it's still quite nice.

Use this site as a resource. https://gisservices.dec.ny.gov/gis/dil/

Turn on the layers for trails (select all) and turn on the selections under Land Based activities. As you zoom in on the area of the SRCA and the SLWF area the trails and campsites will appear. You can build your own adventure from there.

Still, depending on how much you're looking to tour around, you'll be hard pressed to stretch your trip over these areas out to a week or more.

I think when in Rome, you should do as the Romans and set aside time for some classic ADK hikes. If it were me, I'd plan 3-4 days paddling then do 2-3 days hiking with maybe a base camp on an easy access lake (Follensby Clear Pond comes to mind) driving to day hike destinations. There's so many awesome options. If you're already in the Saranac Lake area, you might want to try to sample (or complete) the Saranac 6 challenge. They are easy to moderate hikes. Some do get busy (Ampersand comes to mind, so knock them off early).

Also, don't be thrown off by how they call some lakes ponds. I don't know why they do that...

https://www.saranaclake.com/saranac-lake-6er
Baker (2,452 feet)
St. Regis (2,874 feet)
Scarface (3,054 feet)
Ampersand (3,353 feet)
Haystack (2,878 feet)
McKenzie (3,822 feet)

Trip Planning » the border » 7/21/2020 4:10 pm

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EddyTurn wrote:

JoeScmoe wrote:

The beauty of the Adirondacks is you don't need to book anything. The paddling routes aren't as extensive as what you'll find in Algonquin, but in my opinion, the mountains more than make up for it.

I was considering an Adirondack trip some years ago but eventually opted out founding that most of the lakes are heavily developed and motor boat traffic is extensive. I wonder if I was wrong?
 

Here's my experience:

If you go on the major lakes close to the major towns like Lake Placid and Lake George, you'll see motor traffic that approaches, but is still less than an Ontario cottage country lake (maybe Lake George is the exception). The large lakes that allow motor boats away from the major towns will see quite a bit less traffic... Similar to what I saw when I was on Kioshkokwi last Tuesday.

I figure the reason for the lesser traffic is the jetsetter luxury crowd we see in our cottage country isn't drawn to the Adirondacks. Those people from NYC choose the Hamptons and Cape Cod instead. Those that go to the Adirondacks are there for the nature.

There are areas like the St Regis Canoe area where motors are outlawed. Combining that area with the Saranac Lakes Wild Forest would give you quite a bit of good paddling similar to what you'd get in Algonquin. As well there are countless backcountry lakes in the many designated wilderness areas where motors are forbidden. The thing you'll find in the Adirondacks though is that there aren't as many opportunities to link lakes in a lot of the wilderness areas as there are in Algonquin.

The difference though, is you can base camp in certain areas and have some hiking experiences you cannot get in Ontario. Many of the mountains have the same vertical relief you'd see in the Rockies. Some are above the treeline.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/21/2020 1:45 pm

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MooseWhizzer Dave wrote:

Thanks for that offer - I appreciate it.  Not sure what to do....still sad, but if ADK looks viable for me I'll definitely PM you. 

 
Just pick whatever day you had planned for Algonquin and go. 

The beauty of the Adirondacks is you don't need to book anything. The paddling routes aren't as extensive as what you'll find in Algonquin, but in my opinion, the mountains more than make up for it.

That said the 90 miler from Old Forge to Saranac Lake (or sections thereof) is a trip definitely worth doing. They run it as a race every year in September, but it would be one heck of a trip to do at a more leisurely pace with free backcountry camping all along the route.

https://www.adirondackexplorer.org/stories/a-classic-challenge



https://i.ibb.co/SJ7cTfC/nb90miler-98511.jpg

Trip Planning » the border » 7/21/2020 11:55 am

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I should have mentioned, if you do choose to check out the ADKs and need any planning advice, I can help.

Trip Planning » First time trip for a group of 4. Would love some advice :) » 7/21/2020 9:56 am

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One other piece of advice is before you book, make sure the Outfitters have boats available.

Trip Planning » the border » 7/20/2020 11:22 pm

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MooseWhizzer Dave wrote:

Just read in the Buffalo News that Representative Brian Higgins (Buffalo area guy) thinks the border will remain closed until the end of the year.  Whether that is just one guys' speculation, a growing consensus (if I were Canada I think I would want the border to remain closed), or the right thing to do can be debated, but how sad it makes me cannot. 

I take one, maybe two trips per year, usually just 4-day outings.  But I daydream about the trips for months in advance.  When one trip ends, I've had enough of being there, but by the time I reach Toronto I'm already daydreaming about the next trip.  For once I have the vacation time needed.  I have reservations in place for a rare 5-day trip.  This whole thing stinks. 

 
Go to the Adirondacks. As much as I'm looking forward to my first trip into Algonquin, I really miss the ADKs. I usually go 2 or 3 times a year. There's some pretty good paddling routes, and some really good hiking routes. Best thing is, you don't have to book in advance.

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