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Fishing » Zone 15 Changes are comming. » 11/12/2022 11:37 am

Good point about un-intended outcomes with the survival rate of catch & release due to size limit, more fish caught resulting in higher mortality. I too have wondered about being less selective & just keeping the fish I caught, instead of continuing to fish for the one I want (species or size), especially in a fishery that has a lot of fishing pressure.

I really have no idea, just thinking out loud, but I have also wondered if doing something like Manitoba or Quetico, going barbless really has the desired effect? Is it really effective or is it virtue signaling that has un-intended consequences? Namely, the un-intended effect is a fisherman feels more comfortable continuing to fish, catching & releasing more fish & despite lower mortality rate the higher volume of fish caught & released results in total higher number of mortality? As I prefaced, I really don't know, but the thought has crossed my mind...

Fishing » Zone 15 Changes are comming. » 11/10/2022 11:14 pm

captainchaos2000 wrote:

I don’t live in the area and I only fish in Algonquin.  I noticed the proposed decreased catch limits for Brook Trout.  For me as I largely canoe solo, if I’m lucky I might keep one brook trout for supper so the proposed changes don’t affect me any,  Knowing the government if anything the proposed changes are probably too late…in my humble opinion.

One or two fish is enough to get a taste of trout. 5 fish per day seemed excessive. All you can eat buffet or taking home that many, I think the fishery is past sustaining that practice.

The minimum size limit will also have an impact on lake trout catches. Again probably a good thing, let the fish breed several times before they are legal keep size.

Trip Reports » Rain Lake to Islet & Weed Lake, late October » 11/10/2022 9:56 pm

MooseWhizzer Dave wrote:

Enjoyed your report!  In....2017 I think it was, I took my kids on the same route, but we had three nights.  Spent two on Islet (the campsite opposite the island site) and one night on the island site on Rain (on the backside of the island).  That portage from Rain to Hot....I really disliked that climb, and coming down was an absolute caution.  

Thanks, nice you enjoyed the report!

Coincidentally, I actually camped into Islet in 2017 as well, but it was a backpacking 2 night trip, with my sister & nephew (same one with the giardia). That was a really wet summer, lots of mud & puddles on the trail. Perfect for mosquito breeding! The mosquitos were terrible on the hike, even with it being August. I thought my nephew would never go backcountry camping again, but instead it has been the start of a new tradition for him.

I did explore the start of the Rain/Hot portage, from the backpacking trail down to Rain, & I don't remember it being as eroded as it currently is 5 years later. Yes it was always steep, but now you really need to be careful here!

Trip Reports » Rain Lake to Islet & Weed Lake, late October » 11/10/2022 9:25 pm

Rodents chewing through things does seem to be a problem!  I had also lent my Sea to Summit collapsible XPot for the same labour day trip of my daughters & something chewed several small holes into the silicone side of the pot, rendering the pot only useful if you want to boil/cook a small amount below the holes.

My daughter was responsible & bought me a replacement one, unfortunately can't return it since she bought it through The Last Hunt. I told her she should have told me first, as I did not really want it replaced. It was a gift to me & anyhow I think it is kinda gimmicky. Sure other metal pots don't collapse flat, but you can still pack stuff inside them, so I don't think you really come out ahead with a collapsible pot. Not to mention a metal pot is not going to ever fail you on a backcountry trip.

Trip Reports » Rain Lake to Islet & Weed Lake, late October » 11/10/2022 12:29 am

Since it is now a slow time of year when it comes to going on trips, I thought I would post my first trip report. I find there are always lessons learned from a trip, from something you want to change to things you would want to do again.

As we have been having some pretty mild weather, last week in October I did a quick getaway, the latest trip in the year that I have done, only a one nighter starting at Rain and going into Islet.  I know this is a super short trip, but I also don't have much free time, so I got to make the time I do have count.  At least even with a short trip I got exercise with a nature destination, keeping the heart pumping & keeping the soul alive!

I'll start with my summary & if that catches your attention, then read on for the trip details
-A key lesson I learned on this trip is that if I lend out gear to someone, don't assume it was returned in working order!! Test it out before heading out on a trip!! Anyhow, maybe a good practice to follow, especially if you are on your own and/or there is no other similar backup gear in your group.
-Weather was warm for this time of year, no rain, days almost 20C to upper single digits at night. Obviously nice time of year for bug free camping.  Well past prime fall colour time, leaves on the ground had also long dried out & lost their colour.
-Decided on Islet as smallmouth bass season still open, fishing was tough, clearly at this time fish have left the shallows, both small baitfish and larger fish.  Though I did manage a fresh fish fry with a lot of fishing effort.  Actually all life seems to have left the shallows, no signs of any of those bugs that run on the surface, no signs of any amphibian life (eg frogs) or turtles.
-Camped on the only island site on Islet, nice site for several smaller tents.  I was surprised by traffic on Rain lake, but did have Islet to myself.

Going on such a short trip I need to travel light & fast, charge of the light brigade!  For my watercraft I went with my

Trip Planning » did ya get the m.n.r. e-mail yet?? » 10/18/2022 2:23 pm

Peek wrote:

But again, A LOT of people out there are under a different impression.

I feel like maybe a pinned post on reservations, hints & tips would be useful. When I can, I will definitely be booking in person at the park in the future.

I was also under the impression in park reservations incurred a fee due to the website under Fees->Reservation fees, clearly has a heading with "Reservation Fees for Call Centre and Park".  The "and Park" is very misleading as this implies that both the Call Centre and Park incur the $13 booking fee.

Trip Planning » did ya get the m.n.r. e-mail yet?? » 10/17/2022 9:22 pm

It seems to me like this won't really solve much of a capacity campground shortage at certain parks, after all certain parks are probably busy due to certain factors that are inherent to those busy parks.

Example: Instead of person A staying 3 weeks at Algonquin & person B staying 3 weeks at sand banks, You now have A doing Algonquin, sand banks, Algonquin, while  B does sandbanks, Algonquin, sandbanks. Demand at both parks is still unchanged.

I feel like this is done just for optics. Population growth continues, without growth in the number of parks in proximity to the population growth, so I don't see this problem going away without real drastic changes, but I know it won't be popular any which way you slice the changes.

Trip Planning » Can you still make a reservation at park offices? » 9/28/2022 5:52 pm

Strange, even if it does not make sense, it does seem clear on the website that Park reservations cost $13. As a result I have never tried in park reservations.

Ok, In the future I'll give in park reservations a try for a last minute trip.

Certain things are just more efficient online/automated (eg telling counter person how to spell everyone's names, adress, etc, much faster to type it in & in fact likely pre-filled on your browser...). Imagine if everyone realised in person is free & more do it this way? I imagine in park offices would get bogged down with lineups & as Swedish Pimple said, maybe they just hand you the phone.

Trip Planning » Can you still make a reservation at park offices? » 9/28/2022 11:59 am

ChristineCanoes wrote:

Because if you show up without a reservation you don’t get charged that fee at all so you can save the whole fee (not just the 2$)

Really, I wonder if that was a mistake & they should have charged you but didn't?

Reservation Fees from Ontario parks website very clearly states

"Reservation Fees for Call Centre and Park
Base Fee    HST    Total
Reservation Fee    $11.50    $1.50    $13.00
Cancellation Fee (minimum)    $9.29    $1.21    $10.50
Change Fee (minimum)    $9.29    $1.21    $10.50"

So in person at the park should incur $13 reservation fee.

Sell and Swap » Classic gear, gas stove & lantern, external frame pack FREE » 9/26/2022 6:24 pm

My Dad finally said this year that he is too old to go camping anymore, so it was a trigger to get rid of some stuff. I have some of his old classic gear (going back to the 70's) & probably have not been used in at least 20 years (other than the gas stove that I tested & was surprised it still works).  They are free if you want them, although you will need to pickup in east end of Toronto.  Probably not worth shipping & with butane also probably not legal.  Hoping someone might have some use for them, I think the old style Camping Gaz canisters are probably only still available in France/Europe. Free are:
1) External frame pack (approx 16"Wide x 27"high)
2) Butane gas mantle lamp, uses Camping Gaz butane canister. This is an old style canister in which the top of the canister is pierced so you cannot remove until empty.  The attached canister is empty. I cannot vouch for if this still works or seals the canister well.  The glass globe has a crack half way around.
3) Butane stove (uses Camping Gaz cylinder).  I was very surprised that the attached canister still has liquid butane & still works.
Of course with all of the above, you must assess proper use & safety of the items.

Trip Planning » Can you still make a reservation at park offices? » 9/22/2022 4:31 pm

Even for last minute quick trips, why not just book online the morning of your trip before you leave?  I have done it that way.

Online saves you $2 instead of in person/phone reservation fee. I feel like I will earn the title of board cheapskate, personally I prefer being known as frugal ;-) Hey save a couple bucks on the hundreds if not thousands of things you buy every year, grocery items, gas, etc.. pretty soon your talking real money!

Trip Planning » Confusion over confirmation emails serving as permits » 9/22/2022 4:21 pm

I know it is convenient to not check-in, but I always thought one of the benefits of check-in, check-out (or leave your permit in one of the boxes) is for emergency purposes. If someone calls inquiring about your safety at least ranger/warden will have a better idea if something happened. 

But I guess even this will soon be a moot point, sounds like technology is advancing such a pace that even a cellphone will have satellite access in a few years.

Trip Planning » Kiosk or Cedar? » 9/22/2022 3:52 pm

My preference would be to skip Cedar.  At least from my home, Kiosk is about 4.5hr, Cedar is 5.5hr.  At 5.5hr drive, now you're into Temagami time, in which case I would say go to Temagami and camp for free on Crown land.  Save some money, booking fee & two night backcountry fee. With inflation being what it is, every bit counts, so at least $35 saved & even more if you're not solo.  So to me the choice is really between Kiosk or Temagami.

I know this might sound crazy, but I went to Kiosk for a 1 nighter this past Labour Day, but I was desperate to get in one last trip as I'm not sure I will be able to fit in another trip this year.  I also drove up from Toronto. For a short trip, yeah agree, you don't want to be wasting time with long tripping/portage, just land on the lake, paddle, setup campsite, fish, chill, etc. 

Equipment » Butane vs Isobutane vs propane? Save some $ » 8/27/2022 11:50 am

RobW wrote:

The one place I think canister stoves have a real advantage is if you are flying somewhere. The rules around flying with liquid gas stoves are pretty strict. No restrictions on taking the stove part of a canister stove on commercial flights since there is no question of it having fuel. Of course you still have to make a stop to pick up fuel after your flight. 

I probably should not be saying this, I know it embarrasses my daughter, but I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, plus, reduce, reuse, and recycle.  Anyhow, as you stated you can't fly canisters on planes, we do have tourists coming to Canada to enjoy our great outdoors & they can't take home their partially used canisters, so they leave them for disposal/recycling... well lets just say I have been known to find new mostly full canisters of fuel ;-)

Equipment » Butane vs Isobutane vs propane? Save some $ » 8/27/2022 11:23 am

RobW wrote:

To me a "classic single burner Coleman stove" is still a naptha stove. Almost zero maintenance and still going strong 35 years after buying one as surplus after a Scout Jamboree. Still your best choice for cold weather. Propane might not quit completely at -20C but you won't get anywhere near as much heat at that temperature whereas a naptha stove will keep on chugging. 

I'm pretty sure it comes out the cheapest in the long run too. 

Agreed, if someone goes down the path of a true liquid fuel stove (not including an alcohol stove here), I expect due to cheap fuel & high energy density of the fuel, these will be cheapest to operate.

Equipment » Butane vs Isobutane vs propane? Save some $ » 8/27/2022 11:19 am

TripperMike wrote:

A 4 liter jug of Methyl Hydrate is $15.00 at CT and lasts me about a year.  I use a Trangia 27 for family or cold weather camping, and a Triangle + cooking on the fire when travelling solo or extra light.  It takes a little longer to get a good boil or fry going, but I prefer that over the roar of a Dragonfly. 

The beauty of all the different types of stoves is people prioritize different things, no question alcohol stoves will be quieter but I find low heat output of an alcohol stove for group use a deal breaker for me, particularly if doing a fish fry & actual cooking. When I work through my current 3.78L jug of methyl hydrate on solo trips, I doubt I will buy any more alcohol stove fuel.

I prefer faster boil time/cooking of canister stove, also with using $2 butane canisters it is even much cheaper than using Methyl Hydrate.  For my trangia or home made stove I usually use 30ml of Hydrate for 500ml boil.  Conversely, efficient canister stove setups will use as little as 5g for 500ml boil.  My usual setup is Bulin heat exchanger pot paired with Bulin Bl100 stove, this setup is also essentially windproof & have measured 5g per efficient boil (moderate heat flame, if I go for full open boil it is less efficient as I guess the heat just blows off before proper heat exchange to pot/water can happen, however even at not using max flame this is still faster than an alcohol stove boil), but lets say 6g for real world buffer.  So cost per 500ml boil....

3.78L Methyl Hydrate / 30ml = 126 boils
$15 / 126 = 12c/boil
227ml butane/6g = 37 boils
$2 / 37 = 5.4c/boil

I'm just using concept of boil for comparison, but I'm sure extending it to fish fry, actual cooking etc, butane stove fuel use will still be cheaper and faster and OK noisier... ;-)

Of course I can't really comment on setups I don't have, but presume a true multifuel stove will be the absolute cheapest operating cost... eg.  gasoline @ $1.60/L & high energy content I expect wil

Equipment » Butane vs Isobutane vs propane? Save some $ » 8/26/2022 1:36 am

Ok I recognize that these fuels & blends have quite different properties (vapourization temp), so the type of camping you do might dictate what you choose (quick cheat sheet above 0C for butane, -11C for isobutane, - 15 to - 22 for isobutane/propane mixtures & - 42C for propane), but as far as cost goes does this also influence your choice?

For the first twenty years of my backcountry camping life I pretty well used a classic single burner Coleman stove, the type that uses the 1lb propane cylinders. But weight eventually got me to look at alternatives...
-Twig stove: Not really crazy about the soot on the pot & if twigs are wet, it's a pain, plus fire bans... Similar for open fires
-alcohol stove: definitely cheap, especially if you make your own stove. Good for solo use, but frankly not enough heat output for group cooking.
-can't comment on liquid fuel stoves as the stoves always seemed pricey, plus complicated (priming process) & stove maintenance

So I find myself back to canister stoves, but are there any other budget friendly (ok I'll say it cheapos) out there that use the butane canisters with their camp stoves? I always camp at temperatures above freezing so use the butane canister with a lindal adapter. I can't be the only one, right!??

The 227g isobutane canisters are typically around $8, with the 227g butane canisters $4. If you go to an Asian grocery store they are like $8 for a pack of 4, so $2 per canister. Yes I know you also need to buy the adapter, but it pays for itself after your first use. Thereafter it is $2 vs $8. Big difference!

With inflation being what it is, you might as well save some money.

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