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8/16/2017 1:26 pm  #18


Re: Sad news from Big Trout Lake

I just saw on the news: the kid didn't pass the swim test and they let him go anyway. There were two kids who didn't even take the swim test on the trip too. 

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/08/16/teen-who-drowned-on-school-trip-didnt-pass-swim-test.html

 

 

8/17/2017 11:31 am  #19


Re: Sad news from Big Trout Lake

The failure isn't that he failed the swim test its failing to ensure he was wearing a life jacket while near the water. There is no requirement to swim on a canoe trip. Its unfortunate that now non swimming kids will probably be prevented from going on a canoe trip when in reality they should just be forced to wear a lifejacket.

 

8/17/2017 12:06 pm  #20


Re: Sad news from Big Trout Lake

Jdbonney wrote:

The failure isn't that he failed the swim test its failing to ensure he was wearing a life jacket while near the water. There is no requirement to swim on a canoe trip. Its unfortunate that now non swimming kids will probably be prevented from going on a canoe trip when in reality they should just be forced to wear a lifejacket.

It would be unfortunate if youth that did not know how to swim were automatically excluded from outdoor ed canoe trips.   Such a policy would disproportionately impact immigrant youth who are less likely to have learned swimming skills than Canadian born youth.   I guess I was lucky when I was a Scout leader -- I have no recollection of having a Scout that wasn't able to swim and we did have a few Scouts who had emigrated to Canada.
 

 

8/17/2017 12:25 pm  #21


Re: Sad news from Big Trout Lake

I'm hopeful that the result is not the exclusion of non swimming kids. We aren't talking about little kids here, these are teens, accompanied and supervised by trained educators, that should know to either wear the life jacket or stay away from the water.

 

8/18/2017 7:53 am  #22


Re: Sad news from Big Trout Lake

as a former scout leader, In my group all participants (over 400 now) had to have either their bronze level certificate, equivalent of it, or pass a swim test that demonstrated equal skills. All trips were also announced several months in advance to allow time to acquire those skills. Over the years I had several kids that either had poor or no swimming ability, my leadership team worked with each to MAKE SURE those youth met the standard.
In 20 years, I've only ever excluded 1 youth who refused to even try (We even taught a few that were hydrophobic). Proper planning and enough time to acquire those skills are what's needed to ensure a safe trip. Those kids also learned navigation, rescue (self and others), emergency 1st aid, wilderness skills, etc.
In the bush, with a 6 to 1 ratio, and all the activity; in 1 minute, you can have tents going up, fire lit, food prep, gear sorting, and myriad other things happening, all requiring adult supervision, and kids being kids, one can easily slip away and fall in without notice. To add non-swimmers to the mix is courting disaster!

 

8/20/2017 9:29 am  #23


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Are there other regs like having these kids wear a boot on portages - not sandals or other non supporting footwear ? What about axes and who uses them ?

Last edited by Antman (8/20/2017 9:32 am)

 

7/26/2018 10:21 am  #24


 

7/26/2018 11:46 am  #25


Re: Sad news from Big Trout Lake

I just read this on my computer feed this morning.  A teacher on the trip is now charged with criminal negligence involving a student drowning on Big Trout Lake last year.  Again, my condolences to the family involved in this tragic event.


Tripping in Algonquin Park is not about seeking shelter from a storm, tripping in Algonquin Park is about dancing in the rain!
 

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