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3/20/2017 9:51 am  #1


Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

Just looking at Google Maps and noticed that Rowan Lake, on the east side, is peppered with drill holes. One can also clearly see snowmobile tracks. I thought this was illegal?  

 

3/20/2017 10:05 am  #2


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

Legal for Indigenous folks , fishing on traditional lands using non-traditional means of transport .

 

3/20/2017 11:10 am  #3


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

John Connelly wrote:

Legal for Indigenous folks , fishing on traditional lands using non-traditional means of transport .

Yep. I go snowshoeing around Kiosk a fair bit in the winter and there is always natives out fishing on the lake.

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3/20/2017 3:27 pm  #4


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

adventure66 ....... My apologies , I was wrong in saying it is legal for Indigenous folks to ice fish in Algonquin Park .
Apparently there has been an agreement for hunting moose and deer , but not so for ice fishing .
So that would make it illegal .
An excerpt from the old forum ... Feb 28 . 2015


"  In 1991 Blair Dawson, a former fisheries and wildlife biologist with MNR, produced an Information Bulletin for the Ad Hoc Committee to Save Algonquin Park. In January 1991 the Minister of Natural Resources implemented a new enforcement policy regarding hunting and fishing by First Nations in Algonquin Park in accessing the Park by "trucks, ATVs, and snowmobiles." The Minister indicated intention to negotiate with the First Nations to restrict their claimed rights to hunt and fish. A hunting agreement was reached eventually, and has been renewed annually I think. No fishing agreement was reached in 1991, and to my understanding there has never been a fishing agreement. The government said (in paraphrase) that in dealing with the First Nations they preferred to negotiate than litigate; with the result that charges for fishing out of season were not brought against First Nations people who broke Park laws. "  ( Rory Mackay )

Last edited by John Connelly (3/20/2017 3:28 pm)

 

3/20/2017 6:01 pm  #5


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

I think winter fishing by members of the Algonquins of Ontario was a legal grey area for a long time, in practice they did it without enforced restriction because no one wanted another legal case to complicate the Algonquin land claim (as per Rory's comments quoted by John above). Finally, as part of the agreement in principle, the parties established "interim winter fishing measures". Under these measures, the Algonquins are allowed to fish in the winter in much of the park, but not in certain areas: the Dickson-Lavielle system, the Galipo River system, the Hogan-La Muir chain, and the Coldspring area in the park's northwest. In addition to staying off these lakes in the winter, the Algonquins accept a spawning season closure on lake and brook trout throughout the park, and must abide by the live baitfish ban and the six year-round sanctuary lakes. This was discussed on the old forum here.

I'm not 100% sure of the current legal status of these interim measures.

 

3/20/2017 6:28 pm  #6


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

Interesting to read of " interim Winter fishing measures " . I am not aware of this , would be helpful to read more specifics .
I'd be curious to learn more of these Winter fishing measures , particularly how they pertain to the common practice of  heated live bait wells , carrying live minnows via snowmobile , ATV and 4x4 powered machines ?

" Algonquins accept a spawning season closure on lake and brook trout throughout the park, and must abide by the live baitfish ban and the six year-round sanctuary lakes "
Dan , I appreciate these words .
 In speaking  with Indigenous fishermen that regularly fish Algonquin in Winter , they chuckle at such words .
In this multi-use park with such rich history we are all accountable to the sterwardship of such a wondrous place .
 

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3/20/2017 9:21 pm  #7


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

Well, I can only speak to the content of the policy, not how well it's followed or enforced. And as I said I don't know the exact current status.

If you follow the link in my post above ( http://www.network54.com/Forum/352882/thread/1434142906/last-1435325995/Algonquins+of+Ontario+Agreement-in-Principle ) to the discussion I started on the old forum, there's excerpts from the interim measures and links to related documents. Sorry it's a little messy on the thread.

 

3/21/2017 5:16 am  #8


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

Living in the area I can tell you that native ice fishing in the park is not at all out of the ordinary, lots of guys I know make it an annual trip, I'm also interested in hearing the official view.....

 

3/21/2017 6:49 am  #9


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

I used to work with 10+ Algonquin natives and they all used to brag to me about how they are aloud to ice fish. I am curious about the regulations for the natives using designated campsites? I know during the summer they drive the logging roads in trucks or ATV's and occupy regular interior sites  without reserving them, but what happens if the lake ends up being fully booked and someone doesn't have a site? I'm sure they are supposed to at least give a heads up that they are camping so a site can be reserved for them?

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4/18/2017 12:06 pm  #10


Re: Winter Fishing by Snowmobile??

DanPM wrote:

Well, I can only speak to the content of the policy, not how well it's followed or enforced. And as I said I don't know the exact current status.

If you follow the link in my post above ( http://www.network54.com/Forum/352882/thread/1434142906/last-1435325995/Algonquins+of+Ontario+Agreement-in-Principle ) to the discussion I started on the old forum, there's excerpts from the interim measures and links to related documents. Sorry it's a little messy on the thread.

Apparently that closure may have now expired. 

http://www.tanakiwin.com/wp-system/uploads/2016/12/ALC_AIP_Interim-Measures_Fish-Harvest_Sustainability_AOO-Release_20161201_Final.pdf

I'm not sure how winter fishing (or any fishing for that matter) could possibly not affect 'sustainability of the brook trout and lake trout populations,' and my general request to the province for a copy of this study went unanswered. Perhaps I need to ask a local office. I thought it was pretty well understood elsewhere that ice fishing could take a significant toll on fish populations.

 

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