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8/01/2018 8:28 am  #1


Campsite Booking

Has there ever been any talk or discussion of Algonquin moving to booking individual sites instead of just booking lakes?

It seems the other backcountry provincial parks have gone this way (Massassauga and Kawartha Highlands) and I'm curious about Algonquin.

I can see pros and cons to this. The con is obviously a loss of mystery and spontaneity. This loss is pretty significant to me. But, I can also see how this would allow for improved accountability. A friend saw a group of 16 campers (all on one site!) cutting down live trees on a site on Pen earlier this summer. She didn't approach them cuz there were 16 of them and 1 of her but she was desperately hoping for a ranger to come by.

If sites were booked specifically, would the park be able to identify and fine individuals for this type of behaviour or is that just a pipe dream of mine? Even if they COULD do it? Would they have the resources to pursue?

 

8/01/2018 12:24 pm  #2


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Personally speaking I would hate if they moved to a specific site booking model. We'd get into the same nonsense as everywhere else where people are forced to make bookings months in advance in order to get their preferred site. 

Plus I don't think it's feasible anyway in Algonquin - it's just too large. The current system is designed with the expectation that people won't necessarily be where they're supposed to be, and there are valid reasons for that. Wind and weather can make it impossible (well, for you sorry canoeists anyway ;) to be where you're supposed to be. And so a lake may have 40 campsites, but a max of 33 reservations are allowed for any given night to support that. Force people to choose specific sites on specific lakes, and a few groups getting windbound could create a cascade effect that would mess up a lot of campers. 

Last edited by Uppa (8/01/2018 12:25 pm)

 

8/01/2018 1:30 pm  #3


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I agree on all your points Uppa.

I just wish there was a better way to hold people accountable. Even if they DID move to a site specific booking, I don't know that they'd have the resources to pursue fining bad behaviour.

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8/01/2018 1:40 pm  #4


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CanoeClaire wrote:

I agree on all your points Uppa.

I just wish there was a better way to hold people accountable. Even if they DID move to a site specific booking, I don't know that they'd have the resources to pursue fining bad behaviour.

They should put solar powered tablets at every site and when you get there you check in with your specific permit number. That way you don’t have to book a specific site, but everyone is held accountable.

(not actually serious)

 

8/01/2018 8:21 pm  #5


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All they would have to do is extend cell phone service throughout the park. Most people would bring their phones. Then they'll be able to pinpoint people's phones and associate those phones with accounts. I'm sure something like this will happen in the future but I hope I'll be long dead by then.

 

8/08/2018 2:05 pm  #6


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I can go either way on this one ... but I have heard some people that have done backcountry before say that they don't do it as often because they can't book a specific site. Right or wrong people these days expect more from information and you can see that from the pictures they have added on the Ontario parks campground pages.  Even backcountry campsites (non Algonquin) have pictures and can be individually booked .. see Jo Perry lake in bon echo). 

To me it's a place to put your head down at night ... as long as it has a fire pit to cook in and a patch to pitch the tent then I'm good ...

 

8/08/2018 2:19 pm  #7


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With Algonquin being so large, it's unlikely the operation would change from a lake / region booking system to a campsite-specific system.

Personally, I like it the way it is. You win some, you loose some. It's nice to have a little mystery on a trip - sure its also nice to have a target site in mind and to aim for - but at the end of the day you'll get what you get.

 

8/09/2018 2:09 pm  #8


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I’ve spent time paddling around a lake looking for the last site more than once when the lake was supposedly half booked. I usually like to wake early and paddle late with a rest in the middle so I’ve been frustrated to find squatters more than once. Im well prepared and happy to sleep on a portage if necessary but I can definitely see the benefit of booking sites directly. In my younger days I wouldn’t have cared as if just keep paddling until I found a spot. Now with 2 kids along for the trip I can’t just keep going as they will mutiny. Also with 2 kids I can’t get as far from the car as I used to in a day which means it’s always more busy.

 

8/10/2018 6:09 pm  #9


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Big problem with squatters. No way the lakes are over booked as many times as I have been burned. Not sure dedicated sites are the solution, but at least you could definataivly say some one was squatting. Have come in more than once with two sites or more on a given lake, only to get the last site at the wrong end of the lake. Called to complain, they basically said they can’t do anything. They need more rangers random checking particularly a portage in.   I think farther back not so big a problem. Also on the lakes they can reach by power boat not as much squatting. Too easy to get caught. A park employee went through twice the last time I stayed on rock.  None on pen this time.

 

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